I received the following email this morning:

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I am not sure who signed me up to this website. I am indeed a Christian, and I am familiar with the bible, and especially the words of Jesus. I have however heard from friends that your website is not supportive of all groups of people, including people of different sexual orientations. Since I do not feel that Jesus would subscribe to your views, I would like you to unsubscribe me.
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My Reply:

I have removed this address from my mailing list.

I would agree with you that Jesus would love people of different sexual orientations just as He clearly loved all sinners. He wants all to repent and turn to Him for the forgiveness of sin - and this should be how we react and treat others. However, Jesus also calls all sinners to leave their life of sin and is not supportive of anyone remaining in their sin. Different sexual orientations is a clear sin - Jesus loves the sinner and wants to forgive their sin, but He is also calling them to leave their sin. Any other view is a misinterpretation of God's Word.
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Does anyone have any other input on this topic?

Hello Steve,

Deception, deceit, delusion. These are the tools of satan, who would have modern society believe that humans can have sexual orientation apart from male and female gender. The Bible clearly states there are just two sexual orientations, male and female.

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Moreover, the Old and New Testaments portray homosexual behavior as detestable in the eyes of God. Rebellion against God creates and conveys the message that men and women, in fact, are "oriented" uniquely, sometimes toward the same sex.

Christian's must rely on the Bible as their benchmark, their standard for measurement of all things moral and right. Deviation from God's Word results in separation from God and sin.

As God loves the homosexual, as He loves us all, Christian's are also called to love persons who participate in such activity. However, just as God detests the sin that hinders the lives of each of us, we too must detest the sin of homosexuality, just as we are to detest adultery, stealing, lieing etc. Continuing to refer to persons who practice homosexual activity as "gay" or referring to their lifestyle as being "oriented" to the same sex waters down the message of the sin.

If a physician chooses to begin a medical practice of euthanizing terminally ill patients, we would not refer to him as a "life termination specialist" but as a murderer. Abortionists take the life of a baby, not a blob of fetus tissue in the womb, Our Christian society cannot witness to the sin of homosexuality while "soft soaping" the sin itself that is detestable to God.

The rampant attraction toward homosexuality is coming about as a result of the overall downward spiral our lascivious society as a whole, even among church folk. We, as Christians, cannot hope to witness to the homosexual until and if we begin to treat sin in our own lives as abhorent in the eyes of a holy and righteous God.

Our acquisience toward homosexual issues pervading our society as well as a multitude of other societal sins give us all a lot to repent of. It is getting to be that an unbeliever has a hard time spotting a Christian in a crowd. This again is satan's deception, deceit, and delusion.

Nick P.

P.S. This survey I read today gives us all pause as to what is happening to our youth in sexual matters. Is it any wonder that homosexual activity is on the rise as "tolerence" becomes the mantra of our lives and the church growth movement invades the sanctuary and semenaries.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/afplifestyleussexsurvey;_yl...MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-

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Big issue little time... Well perhaps I will be a little later than I thought this morning.

Around 60 yrs ago or so it was considerd an insanity to be a homosexual in this country but this was changed by homosexuals going to colledge & gaining powerful seats in the medical community.

I heard that the head of the Cancer Society of America was actually spending 60% of his "cancer" reasearch funds to search out cures for aids & explinations for aids that were not "gay" related.

One thing that people forget about when dealing with the issue of homosexuality is that it is no worse than any other sin - Jas 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." - because of the stigma attactched to it (maybe because rome did it & rome fell) we seem to convey an attitude as if it were unforgiveable but there is only one unvorgiveable sin wich is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost wich I interpret to mean mostly an unwillingness to repent & acknoledge that God is right & we are wrong.

The main thing that I believe about homosexuals who stay away from bible preachers is contained in Jn 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

I feel that the man's saying "Denial isn't just a river in Egypt" applies here - homosexuals say that there isn't anything wrong with their behavior but if you analyze it you realize that homosexuality (& lesbianism by association) is really a cult of death - take it to it's fullest extent or the Nth degree some might say... If everyone were only having sex with their own gender the species would wipe itself out without the use of a nuclear bomb in the space of 100 - 200 years.

As far as the argument that the ban against homosexuality is only in the old testament (along with having sex with your wife's or your own sister or aunt, mother or an animal for that matter because thats what sin does; as soon as it gets a little compromise it shoves its foot in the door for more friends to come in) I give the scripture in Romans chapter 1 focusing around the 24, 26 & 27 verse.

Is all sin equal in God's eyes? Are their degrees of sin? These are questions not really on point to the initial issue of homosexuality, but in some respects they are part of the problem.

In a world of "tolerance" all sin is grouped together, as if to say that "yes, I do sin daily in thought, anger and emotion, even in act, so I must be tolerant of the sin of homosexuality". Well, this is not morally right. Homosexuality is a sin that, if left unchecked and unanswered, oozes into the lives of the young, lonely, and otherwise confused. Slade, you are absoluely right in that this particular sin would virtually wipe out humanity in several centuries left to it's own.

I believe the Bible shows that there are degrees of sin and varying punishments for that sin. The two attached articles provide a good discussion of the topic of degrees of sin, the most severe being the sin that is purposeful, knowingly performed, even with knowledge that it is an abomination to God. May we never develop a mindset where we believe that we must be tolerant of sexual sin because we are all sinners.

So yes, I believe that there are sins such as homosexuality, that are worse than others, as they cause a degradation of morality that eventually leads to death.

http://www.bcbsr.com/topics/degrees.html
http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-14-7.htm

Nick P.

I believe that all sin is just that...sin. Whatever it is, it is sinful and one is not worse than another. They ALL "cause a degradation of morality that eventually leads to death."

We all have choices to make, and God's word is very clear. Of course there's the endless debate of whether or not people are born homosexual or it's a choice. Since I am not God, I do not know the answer.

All I can do as His child is to help spread His Word and help educate people of the alternate lifestyle. Ultimately though, it's not for us to say what God will do come Judgment Day. That's God's decision...and His alone.

I do not believe in following such thinking as the "God Hates Fags" website...that is passing judgment, and not my job.

Hate the sin, love the sinner...and pray for the sinner. The homosexuality subject is much bigger than any of us. God can handle it. All I can do is ask God to guide me in the direction where I can best help people, no matter what their sins are.

He guides me at precisely the right time. I, however, have not had to directly deal with the subject of homosexuality.

The only other thing I can say is...God loves us all.

In justifying sin, we have re-defined what sin is. And in re-defining sin, we have also re-defined God. He is holy, righteous, good and just. Adonai in His own words reveals Himself by name and proclaims His character to Moses in Exodus 34:6-7

Then the Lord {YHVH} passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord {YHVH}, the Lord {YHVH} God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."

A holy God cannot tolerate immorality. With our emphasis upon God being a God of love, ignoring the balance of His justice, the world has come to view a god created in their own image. What pleases us is not the proper criteria for what is sin and what is not – any sin is an affront to His holy character. God is the One who properly defines sin as “missing the mark” or as a trangression of His holy righteous standard.

That God catogorizes and classifies sin can be seen in His sacrificial system. The sacrificial system distinguishes between intentional and unintentional sins, between sins needing restitution and those that did not require restitution. One merely brought an empty sacrifice if he had not already repented of his sin. Perversion of sexual relations by His creation is a very clear example given in Leviticus 18 as sins that are particularly detestable to Him, which He calls an "abomination". He has placed consequences of sin upon the sinner in the form of diseases, etc. that should make it obvious that we have incurred His wrath. When we choose to justify sin that God so clearly abhors, there will always be a price.

Following in God’s ways accepts His sovereignty over our lives. He has given us a choice – sin or repentance and forgiveness is ours to choose – spiritual death or spiritual life.

Blessings,

Chelki

I work for a large national company and recently, I attended a "diversity" workshop. The workshop was meant to begin the process to break down prejudices that are unfortunately a part of sinful human existence. Now, such workshops are not at all unusual in business or government. Whether a secular workshop can have an effect on a mindset that largely arises from sin is doubtful however. In any event, the workshop attempted to steer people in a direction of tolerence based on race, nationality, gender, and what was termed "lesbian, gay, transgender, bisexual" people. A new acronym was created, too "LGBT".

The enemy works in subtle ways, brothers and sisters. Yes, we most assuredly must not be prejudiced toward any peoples, for God created us all in His own image. We should and must strive to be "color blind" in our relations with each other, for to do otherwise plays into the hands of satan. Now the big "however", do you see what the enemy does? Race, gender (male and female only), and nationality are all aspects of a person that are not chosen by us. We do not choose to be white, black or Russian. We are born what we are. The enemy is trying to deceive us to believe that there is a group of persons who are mistakes, who are caught in a biological trap, from which they have no choice of escape. We are encouraged to be compassionate to their plight and their life choice must be corraled into the diversity mix in an effort to create tolerance for their voluntary sin. Imagine a person who is "bi-sexual" (I suppose someone who simply can't decide or wants to keep their options open?) equated with someone who is black or white. A transgender person, who I guess has chosen to change their sex in some way, grouped with an Asian person both with a common plight? Such comparisons are lies meant to change truth. They compare unvoluntary aspects of God's creation with voluntary sexual debasement and sin.

There is never any basis for prejudice, whether the person is white, black, yellow, or homosexual. However the aspects of our birth (skin color, nationality, male/female gender) must never be grouped with voluntary sexual behavior THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED BY THE PARTICIPANT. When we as Christians allow ourselves to be part of this deception, we become part of the sin. We must arm ourselves with the truth of rightousness and the only source of that truth is the Bible. We can no longer take the position that well, we just don't know...... The truth is clear and unchanging, whether our churches choose to proclaim it or not or whether we choose to believe it or not.

In Canada, you can be arrested and imprisioned for proclaiming homosexuality as sinful bahavior. Such talk is classified as "hate speech". While there are certain qualifications at this time for publically proclaiming the Biblical position on homosexuality in a way to be considered "hate speech", we can be sure that over time, these narrow qualifications will widen to simple speech itself. Would it be too fanciful to believe that such laws will reach the United States within the next ten years? It may come along sooner than that. When that day comes, the Bible itself may be considered an illegal document!

Our modern society is given to redefining truth, based on the whims of the day, guided by satan's roaming war against Christ. Truth cannot and will never be redefined. This article provides a good foundational discussion of the many questions being raised about homosexuality. I pray it is helpful for those who are in doubt about homosexuality and the Bible.

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1302

Nick P.

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Hi Steve, Hi Brothers and Sisters in Christ, I missed you all,

and hello to my new brothers and sisters in Christ of which have not been in a discussion with as yet....Peace all be unto you, Praise Lord Jesus Christ for His ways are higher than our ways.

Dear Family.....

thankyou for putting this email forth and each responding there is two lots of problems that need dealing with. Firstly I see this as a sign that this person was saying this minsitery is not receptive or accepting of all God's people and not speaking His words, in the purity of Him. I know when I have come here before and even now, I sense and see at times the problems of the eyes, ears and mouth (or words), but it is in all of us and needs to be addressed...we are not being His ears, eyes and mouth for or in Him in all of His ways for us. And so there are situations where I can see where reception and acceptance is taking place and when it is not. And it is like this for every ministery and place in the Body of Christ.

And this is one of the problems that being a writer for Him you come across and makes it harder for even people to look at what you write, or if they read it all the way through ...nor do people understand at times, His messengers put others first and they do not have to share, but He inspires them too and compells them, and it does take them away from the family too in their homes... and if one of His writers has a message from Him, we need to listen, and it should not be about who brings it forth, but as long as the message from Him is brought forth for all His people. His people are not always accepting or receptive to His people, nor is what always put forth in the purity of Him, and His word in His Spirit His life giving and saving word. The problem is of the eye, the ear and the mouth that comes out of the heart...being the vision the plan and the solution and what we have allegiance to in our hearts....and communication skills need a touch of the depth of Him throughout the Body of Chirst and also support for His people for those He chooses and uses too...and this relates to a back and spine, may we always be and have a strong back in the Body of Chirst...amen

The second situation that we are addressing is a reminder to each one of us, we do need to pray for the homosexual/lesbian community, just as we would pray for those caught up into satanism and paganism and the lost and unsaved and the half hearted christians and the ones that will not leave their lives to be full time disciples of Him etc...

Lord Jesus Christ came not to condemn but to save...For God so loved the world He gave His one and only son, that whosoever believes in Him, will not perish but have eternal life (love the gospel of John) and Yes he called us all to come out of our sin, but many are still caught up into this and error...It is about living for Him, not for ourselves, to steer away from self and also flesh and flesh ways...and live towards Him, towards and in Him etc...in His beautiful Holy Ghost/Spirit.

This is a season that He is giving His Sovereign Grace by Faith going to be flooding it, his complete plan for salvation, this is good news and so many are in a season of decision making. Lord Jesus Christ created men to be men and women to be women and to come together as one and it was not for the purposes of a selves centred life focused on sex....but to help each other to stop living for themselves and encouraging, exhorting and admonishing us all to live for Him....and to also keep us accountable to putting forth His pure beautiful word and to living in His deep truth in His Spirit and giving the Worship that is due to Him as well as the honour, glory too.

I am sorry Lord Jesus Christ we acknowledge and accept we have fallen short, each one of us, and are seeing your consequences for not following Your plan, Your way, in YOur Truth entirely, we are all and have been a part of this problem, Lord Jesus Christ deliver us all out fully. Lord Jesus Christ we are sorry for the times we waver and not living in Abba's fullness of His Son, or His completion or Perfection.... His Son died so we could all live the lives He has for each one of us, all deeply in love with Lord Jesus Christ, in His vision, in His plan and all operating in His solution ...but all of us, each and every one of us, exept for Lord Jesus Christ fall and come short of the Glory of God, that is why we have and need Him and His Glory, Praise Lord Jesus Christ, amen.

What is needed at this time, is a good dose of His Sovereign Grace (faith, patience, humility, kindness, mercy) along with His Glory, that is the fullness of His light, His eye and His ear with His voice, is needed to flood through all His people and a propelling out of bondage for each and every one of us. so people can see not only His truth, hear it and hear Him and what he is saying and surrendering to Him to do the doing, and stop the debating and just start surrendering to Him doing the doing and trusting Him that we are all in our processes in our different seasons in Him and at the time of His choosing we will all come together and be the body of Christ we are meant to be, in His undefiled fully into His Spirit of truth deep in His love, ways and grace, amen.... And this is the season that this will be really happening, Praise Lrod Jesus Christ and these next two years are going to be difficult but also phenonmenal to those that accept this at this time and live for and in Him not themselves or what people think it should be.

We must always remember Lord Jesus Christ said any that come to Him and eat and drink of Him, He will not deny and so we really need to be a beautiful receiving and accepting and speaking body of Christ as well as a loving and graceful one, always ready to speak His truth, with Grace seasoned with His Salt...Just as He is amen

And so deliverance ministery is needed for the hommosexual/lesbian community as all communities and prayers are needed for every one that people stop liking ungodly fleshy appetites, that they lose lady folly's appetite and start to eat and partake of Lady Virtue (the tree of life). Are we not a body of Christ that can bind and lose in earth, what is already lose in Heaven, can not Lord Jesus Christ open and shut doors if we ask Him? when He does it these doors stay open and shut, amen, Praise Lord Jesus Christ, amen

If we are all not living what we are suppose to be living then there is a perverting sabotaging spirit/s stealing His Good for us, for the perverter is the one that perverts His ways and why people can not see, hear Him and also become spiritually mute...and why the many words spoken in His name, are a hybrid word, which is a powerless word mixed with spiritual blindness, deafness and muteness...of mixing Him with other things (spiritual adultery) and this does effect the heart and the ability to serve and live and walk in the direction He has for us.

Hevenly Family here in earth it is not a matter of what we think or to even to get into a lengthy discussion on these things, for they have been debated,strived and discussed enough, done and fully done over and over and over; but what is really needed is to not only come together for His purposes and start to hear, what Lord Jesus Christ is wanting us all to do and say but to start to take action with and in Him as He directs...Here is a beautiful sign from Him, it is time to reach out to this community who will go?...Lord Jesus Christ we will Your Body of Christ will go, in Lord Jesus Chirst's name, amen .

Mate Lord Jesus Christ send out your helpers and workers everywhere so people really get into going out and doing YOur ministery which is the ministery of Lord Jesus Christ (the minsitery of restoring and reconciling ruined lives and homes back to God) in all your fullness, completion and perfection, in all your love and Glory with Grace and unity...in Lord Jesus Christ's name, amen

Steve this person wrote to you, I am sorry this person left, for how can He use us in this ministery to reach out to this person and this person to reach out to this ministery, if they are no longer a part of the team...you did write a good response, it is also letting us know that a door way is open into this community for someone to go in and do the ministery of Lord Jesus Christ, just the right person and when He sends them they are the right person...

just as Jesus went to the woman of Samaria and the town all believed and were saved because they received Him, being they had His eye and accepted Him as the Saviour of all the world, and they had His ear and from that they had His speech and His voice and His words, they got to spend time with Him, how beautiful.

the message that comes with the homosexual and lesbian community is one of acceptance their deep need to be heard and loved, that is the ear and the heart of Him, that is the sound of Grace and that is what will touch this community, the way of His love between a Heavenly Father and A Heavenly Son and for His people, praise Lord Jesus Chirst , and only He can do that, and the persecution they experience as well as the ostracisation is awful.

When we ask Lord Jesus Christ to show us how to meet the need, He gives it to us and we develop His heart because we are in His heart and in His mind and we can also see His vision as well as He shows us...and can reach those He gives to us, and what lesson I have learnt this morning, that the mistake the pharisees made which was limiting to them, and the jewish people and yes christians too,as well as muslims (who really need to be reached at present) they thought that even going into certain places, such as going into the where the judgment seat was at around the time of the passover or going into different communities would defile them...but we can only be defiled if we are not fully into Him. and it is what is within us that defiles us. Lord Jesus Christ please remove all our prejudices so when we do go out and yet stay and receive and accept those that come, may we do so in You, in Lord Jesus Christ's name, amen.

May when we see each other may we see us as He sees us with and in our hearts (His)....

One day we will be a people that are all called His and have no labels,or seperations praise Lord Jesus Christ for such a day...to be One in Lord Jesus Christ and in His body....the body of Christ, His Bride, His Wife, His Daughter, His Daughter of Zion, His Shulamite, all doing the minsitery of Lord Jesus Christ and all living and loving all together.


Lord Jesus Christ thankyou for showing us what we need to pray for and which community needs to be reached at this time. Sin is sin, error is error and big all small it is all sin and error, may we accept this, just as Lord Jesus Christ dealt with the ones that wanted to stone the adulterous woman and may we be so Like our Lord Jesus Christ, be an encourager and exhorter as well as admonisher as directed to encourage people out of sin and error filled living, lives and heart and appetites in Lord Jesus Christ's name, and fully into Him, amen.

Thankyou for this sign and it is time too for spiritual warfare, that in You and with You we can take on these Spirits globally that is stealing people's good, and thankyou for giving it to us, we can expand go that extra step and now take this on because we are deep in You,
and we have Your prayers and Your way, Your truth, and Life and Your Holy Ghost and Your Holy Spirt and You. You also give us your ministering angels that can help us to and go forth and do the doing with You too, as directed by You ......and in You, it is time to prepare the soil,prepare the heart so You with your angels (ministering spirits) and people can go right on into this community and you will have them take back with and inYou, Your lost ones, lead them out of all errors and out of allegiance to the spirit of error and back into the fallness and allegiance to Your Spirit of truth and bring them back into the fullness of you and your Body and restore all your ways, to every single community and persons ...You spoke lose not one, may we not lose this one or this community because of our miffings and falling short or prejudices, but when we do reach out may we always speak in Your Grace seasoned with Your Salt, Your truth, in Your Spirit...Your beautiful fiery Grace in action...wow...

Thankyou Lord Jesus Christ that you give us a quickening spirit and that we and who goes into this community will have all the resources they are needing to minister to this people, being You....Lord Jesus Christ we are also calling and asking for you to now fully clear this soil, make a way for us as we make a way for You, and clear the air, so a beautiful bountiful sowing may be done, and the fruit can be harvested and partaken all for You, all for Your love, all for Your Cross, Your propitiation, we love You Love Jesus Christ,it is all for You, amen May we also love all your people no matter what realm or disguise they come in, may we all know them and love them deeply as we love You deeply and You love them deeply....when they come to us as You reveal may we welcome them as You would welcome them in Lord Jesus Christ's name, amen

"tell me how many times have I broken your heart,
and still you forgive if only I ask,
Tell me how many times have you heard me pray
Draw near to me"...(from all for love song, coming forth through M.fields and hillsong)

the winds of change, the whirlwinds of Him....Sovereign Grace....Amazing

Glory, Honour, Power and Blessings in Lord Jesus Christ amen

Serenity Grace
Homeheart Ministeries,
His heart is in our home and our home is in His heart...John 14:20
it's all in his hands, heart, feet, mind and side and upon His back....or blood/ water,
love/fire, mercy-truth/earth, grace/glory-air, virtue/liberty,
(metal)=freedom=warm emersion and life under His covering...



the fullness and completion of Him into His perfection, Praise Lord Jesus Christ, amen.

Well this is what I have to say, I am not here to judge anyone because I am too not perfect but, if God wanted man to be with man and woman to be with woman he would have made eva and evon or adam and sam.
God wants us to be fruitful and multiply. How can we multiply and be friutful of the same sex. There would be only one sex and many of us would not have been born. Just think for a moment, those who have a problem of this matter knows that it is wrong. Yes it does not state specifically, in the bible and there are alot of things that are not in it, but, it all starts in the beinginng with Adam and Eve. Just sit one day and read the word or have some quiet time and ask God what is right. Yes our father is a loving father and understands what is going on. He is the one people need to go to instead of man. I am not approving of this behavior but I am open minded and want those to understand that the bible won't have every little thing in it. Thank you