Hello all! , And how are you all doing?, I just thought it might be a good idea to even ask this very important question out! , for your views also, rather than just thinking alone about the issue of prophecy, so! if you don't mind answering please! reply as to the subject, just where are we NOW! in this time-span/end-time, Daniel 12:1-13.

Walter:

Attempting to identify where we are at this point between the Lord's accession and His return, is a fruitless endeavor. Many people have exhausted tremendous amounts of energy trying to interpret the timeframe for the day, days, and half-day in the Scripture. Even Daniel did not understand it when he received the message from the angel and when he asked the Lord directly, the reply was, Dan 12:9 Go thy way Daniel.

The instruction in Daniel 12:9 was that he was to be content knowing that the ultimate end of trials and tribulations would come at an appointed time and that he would have to be content knowing just that much.

That is just the way the Lord intended it. It is not meant that we should know everything, or that we could even understand everything if it were made available to us. We must be content knowing that God has given us understanding sufficient for His purposes and for our needs till He comes again.

Michael

To whom it may concern: MTA Member, Please! , be persuaded by your own opinion! , because some-one needs to know the truth, and Please! , relate with this question directly, because of what God holy words of life! , is eternal and pure! , for correction and instruction in righteousness, but notice I did not ask this question for any harm, and love always from: Walter, Jr.

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Walter:

I am afraid you may have misinterpreted my response to your question, and I certainly did not intend to offend you. In your posting, you asked for individual views and for replies that address where we are in regards to Daniel 12:1-13. My intent was to respond to your questions and I believe I responded according to what I believe the Bible teaches. Of course, you are privileged to maintain your own viewpoint. My opinion only represents another viewpoint for consideration.

I believed your question to be an open invitation for responses. Obviously, I must have been mistaken. I will not respond again.

MTA

Walter,

I'm happy to see that others are interested as I am in prophesy. Note that in Daniel 12:4, the prophet is told to "seal the book to the time of the end." Thousands of Christians like myself believe that we are living in the time of the end. That means that it is time for Daniel's prophecies to be revealed and clearly understood. I recommend an excellent book to help answer your questions. It is by Mervyn C. Maxwell and is called God Cares: The Message of Daniel for You and Your Family It is available from Amazon.com for about $14.00, and the ISBN is 0816314179. Happy reading and God bless.

Although we cannot know the exact day and hour of the Lord's return, Jesus did say to look for the signs of the times. Just as you see buds forming on the trees and know that spring is here, so too will we read the signs that we are nearing the end times. Shame on me, I don't have my Bible with me at work so I can't look that up. I think it is in Matthew 25. Anyone know?

I believe the re-forming of Israel as a nation 60 years ago is one of the signs, because prophecy is clear that just before Jesus returns with the Saints triumphant, nations will surround Israel to attack her. We see anti-semitism rampant in the middle east and Arabic countries today. This makes me think the end times are near -- perhaps within our lifetime.

As MTA Member said, we will never be able to pinpoint the time of Christ's return, so we should be ready always.

Ardith,

If you have access to the web, go to www.biblegateway.com to look up scripture. It has been a huge blessing to me.

I think Matt 24:14 is the key text to point us to the time of Jesus' second coming. It says: "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto the nations; and then shall the end come." Other signs such as "wars and rumors of wars," "false prophets" "the love of many (Christians) shall wax cold" are included in the same chapter, but Jesus specifically states that the sign just before His coming is the gospel to the whole world. Just look around and note how quickly the world is being reached with the gospel via television, radio, and other media, and you can feel sure His coming is near!
As to the nation of Israel, I don't think we should be looking to the Middle East so much. After all, the New Testament points out that all believers make up the true Israel (See Gal. 3:29), and I think prophecy relates to Christians, rather than to those who are "Israel of the flesh."

Ok sorry I am too lazy too look up the passage you were refering to in Dan but I just read one in hab 2:2 that said that whoever the vision is for they gotta run with it. So if God gives you a prophesy go do what he says.

In revelation about the chapter 19 verse 10 it says that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy. Now when God gave me Jer 1:5 personally & called me personally a prophet I would answer with the one in Amos 7:14 that says I was no prophet, neither was I a phrophet's son. However one of my main missions in the faith is apologetics & one of my main themes is the identity of Jesus, because a make-pretend, phoney baloney Jesus Christs' blood can't save you from your sins. Only the real deal, genuine article Jesus Christ can do that. And so when I give the testimony of Jesus it is the spirit of prophesy.

Now I was told that prophesy has 2 parts (aspects) to it - a forthtelling of God's truth (that can be dealing with the past or present) and also a fortelling of God's truth concerning our future.

Now Jesus was a prophet & the point that I want to bring up is that he promised that the works he did we will be doing greator works, so I want to hang with the guy who is raising people from the dead, I want to witness the guy who is pouring out prophesy like Jesus.

Paul said to desire spiritual gifts & moreso prophesy because it can be used as a great tool to convict a sinner & lead him to repentance.

Just remember that when you prophesy you gotta prophesy what God wants you to because he gets really mad when we say something from the imagination of our own heart & call it from him.

As far as Jesus return, there are at least one main prophesy that has to come to pass before the tribulation can start & Jesus can come back to stop it. In 2 Thess 2:4 it refers to the abomination of desolations spoken of by Daniel & Jesus & it says that the antichrist will stand in the Jewish temple & call himself (a) god. Well as far as I know there is no Jewish temple in Jerusalem, & we will probably have to go through world war 3 to get one because the muslims 2nd or 3rd most holy site the dome of the rock is right on the spot of the temple mount. Now it is possible for them to build the temple next door, they have the land & materials to do it I heard, but if the muslims are true & that site is the same site that Abraham almost offered Issac & Jacob had his "Jacob's ladder" dream then I vote for world war 3 because I beleive that the jews should have their temple there.

As for the time (year) of Jesus return I started another thread that covers a theory concerning that, called "hebrew calendar/year of jesus return"

As far as where are we now in prophesy I coverd that in the new covenant thread - some mysterious time between the first 69 weeks & the last week of Daniels 70 week prophesy, called by some the times of the gentiles.

I don't see america too much in prophesy but sometimes a reference is drawn to us when the bible mentions an eagle, but I found one passage in Hos 11:10 that just might be talking about america, it says that the children will tremble from the west.

Also I think this is as good a place as any to bring up these 3 passages: Ezra 2:13; 8:13 & Neh 7:18 Now wait until I tell you this - I thought it was trippy: There are only 4x that the number 666 appears in the bible - 2 of them are talking about how many talents of gold Solomon got in one year (probably the same year that the queen of Sheba came to visit him) one time in revelation when it says that the number of the beast is the number of a man & his number is 666 & the 4th time is in Ezra saying that Adonikam had 666 kids, now in Nehamiah it said he had 667 kids but the thing that cought my eye is that when the geneologies were given out it normally says so & so had so many kids, "blank" the firstborn "blank" the second, & so on & after this they had more sons & daughters. But Adonikam, the only guy in the bible to have 666 kids, now this guy it tells us who his last kids were, not the first... Hmmm well I think that is because the number of the beast is the number of a man & the only man who is associated with the number 666 in the bible is either Jeiel or Shemaiah. So when I see a prime minister in Isreal with Jeiel or Shemaiah in his name I am going to start running for the hills & taking my extra supplies because who would go to the jewish temple to call himself (a) god but a jew? The pope already does it from the vatican, the president would do it from washington DC, but the antichrist will do it from the jewish temple.

But according to my other theory put forth in the "hebrew calendar/year of Jesus return" thread, we got about 200 years or more before the great tribulation, but that doesn't mean we can slack off because the day of our death is our personal doomsday & when we go to meet our maker we cant give excuses, they wont fly, God will ask us what we did with the truth he gave us & we will have to answer for ourselves weather or not we shared it or kept it to ourselves.

Very interesting!

Hello all! and how are you all doing? , on this blessed day of our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth of course!

Now! to: MTA

on his reply on my post asking that gueston on:

Walter, Jr.

posted May 20, 2004 09:34 AM
Hello all! , And how are you all doing?, I just thought it might be a good idea to even ask this very important question out! , for your views also, rather than just thinking alone about the issue of prophecy, so! if you don't mind answering please! reply as to the subject, just where are we NOW! in this time-span/end-time, Daniel 12:1-13.

Walter Preston,Jr.
Posts: 108 | From: New Orleans, La.



MTA

posted May 21, 2004 11:33 AM
Walter:

Attempting to identify where we are at this point between the Lord's accession and His return, is a fruitless endeavor. Many people have exhausted tremendous amounts of energy trying to interpret the timeframe for the day, days, and half-day in the Scripture. Even Daniel did not understand it when he received the message from the angel and when he asked the Lord directly, the reply was, Dan 12:9 Go thy way Daniel.

The instruction in Daniel 12:9 was that he was to be content knowing that the ultimate end of trials and tribulations would come at an appointed time and that he would have to be content knowing just that much.

That is just the way the Lord intended it. It is not meant that we should know everything, or that we could even understand everything if it were made available to us. We must be content knowing that God has given us understanding sufficient for His purposes and for our needs till He comes again.

Michael
Posts: 6 | From: Indiana



Walter, Jr.

posted May 27, 2004 03:53 PM
To whom it may concern: MTA Member, Please! , be persuaded by your own opinion! , because some-one needs to know the truth, and Please! , relate with this question directly, because of what God holy words of life! , is eternal and pure! , for correction and instruction in righteousness, but notice I did not ask this question for any harm, and love always from: Walter, Jr.

http://www.firstthings1st.com

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Walter, Jr., May 28, 2004 02:36 PM

Walter Preston,Jr.
Posts: 108 | From: New Orleans, La.



MTA

posted June 07, 2004 10:04 AM
Walter:

I am afraid you may have misinterpreted my response to your question, and I certainly did not intend to offend you. In your posting, you asked for individual views and for replies that address where we are in regards to Daniel 12:1-13. My intent was to respond to your questions and I believe I responded according to what I believe the Bible teaches. Of course, you are privileged to maintain your own viewpoint. My opinion only represents another viewpoint for consideration.

I believed your question to be an open invitation for responses. Obviously, I must have been mistaken. I will not respond again.

MTA
Posts: 6 | From: Indiana



Sir , I'm sorry, and would you please forgive me if I've offended you, but please reply,

Love you all.