i read and was told that this is the correct name of god is --yahweh, and the term god,lord etc are man make and pagan names created by man??
any insight??
thanks

God has many names yahweh (or something close to that) is one of them, but there are also a lot of titles God & Lord being among them. It takes a long time to go through the list & some people have stronger convictions concerning the one true name of god. I was taught that he has as many names as he has attributes. When God speaks to anyone from another country & he tells them his name I bet it doesn't sound like anything we english speaking people would understand. The important thing is what do you call god? I refer to him as "father lord god" to remind myself of the intimacy of our relationship as he is my father.

have you heard of this before?
thanks

Why is it that we do not call with the Name Yahweh? Do we not desire blessings? Do we not desire acceptance from our Father? Holiness? Salvation? Could it be that we've accepted traditions that our teachers have inherited from their teachers, and then taught to us as doctrine—doctrine that cannot be supported by the inspired Scriptures?
The Name Above All Names:
The Name Our Teachers Have Taught Us To Forget
We are not called by the Name of Yahweh, in fact Yahweh's Name is not even uttered, because we have been taught that it is not acceptable to do so. We are taught that we must not pronounce the Holy Name of our Creator and Father, Yahweh, the Name the chosen of Yahweh will be known by, the Name those who are delivered will call upon! We are instructed by our teachers that Yahweh's Name is too holy to pronounce; therefore, we are to call Him "Adonai" and "Elohim".

This teaching has been fully ingrained in the minds of nearly all Israylites to the point that extreme hatred is shown toward anyone who openly speaks or writes the one and only true Name of the Creator. Remember this, because the holy prophets both spoke and wrote the true Name. As a result, the Name of Yahweh has almost been forgotten (in effect, profaned or brought to nothing), and Baal's name is remembered and proclaimed worldwide.
A Name Remembered In Times Past But Unspoken Today

As we will read from authoritative sources, there was a time when the Name Yahweh was pronounced by all of Yahweh's people, in prayers, in blessings, and in greetings. However, by the third century B.C.E., our teachers began teaching that Yahweh, the true Name of our Creator, was too holy to pronounce. This teaching is a practice that was not inspired by our Father, but one that gradually came about due to pagan influence.

At first, the practice was to just pronounce the name Adonai instead of the Name Yahweh, wherever Yahweh's Name was written in the Holy Scriptures. However, as time went on, changes were made to the original writings. Vowel points (which were not originally part of the text) were added to Yahweh's Name, causing the reader to pronounce the names Adonai and Elohim instead, and in many places these alternate names were actually written in place of Yahweh's Name altogether. We'll show you the many sources verifying these facts, but The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, pages 680-682, sums it all up rather well, as you can see for yourself.

YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai7 were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

THE PROHIBITION OF USE OF THE NAMES OF GOD. The prohibition applies both to the pronunciation of the name of God and its committal to writing, apart from its use in sacred writings. The prohibition against the pronunciation of the name of God applies only to the Tetragrammaton, which could be pronounced by the high priest only once a year on the Day of Atonement in the Holy of Holies (cf. Mishnah Yoma 6:2), and in the Temple by the priests when they recited the Priestly Blessings (Sot. 7:6; see also Ch. Albeck (ed.), Seder Nashim (1954), 387). As the Talmud expresses it: "Not as I am written am I pronounced. I am written yod he vav he, and I am pronounced alef dalet" (nun yod, i.e., Adonai; Kid. 71a).
YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai7 were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

THE PROHIBITION OF USE OF THE NAMES OF GOD. The prohibition applies both to the pronunciation of the name of God and its committal to writing, apart from its use in sacred writings. The prohibition against the pronunciation of the name of God applies only to the Tetragrammaton, which could be pronounced by the high priest only once a year on the Day of Atonement in the Holy of Holies (cf. Mishnah Yoma 6:2), and in the Temple by the priests when they recited the Priestly Blessings (Sot. 7:6; see also Ch. Albeck (ed.), Seder Nashim (1954), 387). As the Talmud expresses it: "Not as I am written am I pronounced. I am written yod he vav he, and I am pronounced alef dalet" (nun yod, i.e., Adonai; Kid. 71a).
YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai7 were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

THE PROHIBITION OF USE OF THE NAMES OF GOD. The prohibition applies both to the pronunciation of the name of God and its committal to writing, apart from its use in sacred writings. The prohibition against the pronunciation of the name of God applies only to the Tetragrammaton, which could be pronounced by the high priest only once a year on the Day of Atonement in the Holy of Holies (cf. Mishnah Yoma 6:2), and in the Temple by the priests when they recited the Priestly Blessings (Sot. 7:6; see also Ch. Albeck (ed.), Seder Nashim (1954), 387). As the Talmud expresses it: "Not as I am written am I pronounced. I am written yod he vav he, and I am pronounced alef dalet" (nun yod, i.e., Adonai; Kid. 71a).

YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai7 were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

THE PROHIBITION OF USE OF THE NAMES OF GOD. The prohibition applies both to the pronunciation of the name of God and its committal to writing, apart from its use in sacred writings. The prohibition against the pronunciation of the name of God applies only to the Tetragrammaton, which could be pronounced by the high priest only once a year on the Day of Atonement in the Holy of Holies (cf. Mishnah Yoma 6:2), and in the Temple by the priests when they recited the Priestly Blessings (Sot. 7:6; see also Ch. Albeck (ed.), Seder Nashim (1954), 387). As the Talmud expresses it: "Not as I am written am I pronounced. I am written yod he vav he, and I am pronounced alef dalet" (nun yod, i.e., Adonai; Kid. 71a).

The Prohibition Of Yahweh's Name

Authoritative scholars, such as the one shown above, point out that the original, personal name of our Creator, written hwhy in the Hebrew tongue spoken by all the patriarchs and prophets, is correctly written and pronounced Yahweh in English.

In ancient times, the Hebrew words were written without vowels in what is called the unpointed script, so that each word consisted of a group of consonants whose vowel sounds were supplied from memory by the reader. In other words, Hebrew words were pronounced with vowel sounds even though the vowels themselves were not written. The Hebrews knew, from oral teaching and practice, which vowels were associated with the different words. Yahweh's Name is written yod-heh-waw-heh hwhy in Hebrew, transliterated YHWH in English, but is written and pronounced with the proper vowels YAHWEH as these sources show. Notice what The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901, Volume 12, page 119, states.

It thus becomes possible to determine with a fair degree of certainty the historical pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, the results agreeing with the statement of Ex. iii. 14, in which YHWH terms Himself hyha. "I will be", a phrase which is immediately proceeded by the fuller term "I will be that I will be," or, as in the English versions, "I am" and "I am that I am." The name hwhy is accordingly derived from the root hwh(=hyh), and is regarded as an imperfect. This passage is decisive for the pronunciation "Yahweh"; for the etymology was undoubtedly based on the known word.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 680, further states this fact.
The true pronunciation of the name YHWH was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced "Yahweh". This is confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first syllable of the name, by the shorter form Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry (e.g., Ex. 15:2) and the -yahu or -yah that serves as the final syllable in very many Hebrew names.

The Prohibition Of Yahweh's Name

Authoritative scholars, such as the one shown above, point out that the original, personal name of our Creator, written hwhy in the Hebrew tongue spoken by all the patriarchs and prophets, is correctly written and pronounced Yahweh in English.

In ancient times, the Hebrew words were written without vowels in what is called the unpointed script, so that each word consisted of a group of consonants whose vowel sounds were supplied from memory by the reader. In other words, Hebrew words were pronounced with vowel sounds even though the vowels themselves were not written. The Hebrews knew, from oral teaching and practice, which vowels were associated with the different words. Yahweh's Name is written yod-heh-waw-heh hwhy in Hebrew, transliterated YHWH in English, but is written and pronounced with the proper vowels YAHWEH as these sources show. Notice what The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901, Volume 12, page 119, states.

It thus becomes possible to determine with a fair degree of certainty the historical pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, the results agreeing with the statement of Ex. iii. 14, in which YHWH terms Himself hyha. "I will be", a phrase which is immediately proceeded by the fuller term "I will be that I will be," or, as in the English versions, "I am" and "I am that I am." The name hwhy is accordingly derived from the root hwh(=hyh), and is regarded as an imperfect. This passage is decisive for the pronunciation "Yahweh"; for the etymology was undoubtedly based on the known word.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 680, further states this fact.
The true pronunciation of the name YHWH was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced "Yahweh". This is confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first syllable of the name, by the shorter form Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry (e.g., Ex. 15:2) and the -yahu or -yah that serves as the final syllable in very many Hebrew names.

The Prohibition Of Yahweh's Name

Authoritative scholars, such as the one shown above, point out that the original, personal name of our Creator, written hwhy in the Hebrew tongue spoken by all the patriarchs and prophets, is correctly written and pronounced Yahweh in English.

In ancient times, the Hebrew words were written without vowels in what is called the unpointed script, so that each word consisted of a group of consonants whose vowel sounds were supplied from memory by the reader. In other words, Hebrew words were pronounced with vowel sounds even though the vowels themselves were not written. The Hebrews knew, from oral teaching and practice, which vowels were associated with the different words. Yahweh's Name is written yod-heh-waw-heh hwhy in Hebrew, transliterated YHWH in English, but is written and pronounced with the proper vowels YAHWEH as these sources show. Notice what The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901, Volume 12, page 119, states.

It thus becomes possible to determine with a fair degree of certainty the historical pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, the results agreeing with the statement of Ex. iii. 14, in which YHWH terms Himself hyha. "I will be", a phrase which is immediately proceeded by the fuller term "I will be that I will be," or, as in the English versions, "I am" and "I am that I am." The name hwhy is accordingly derived from the root hwh(=hyh), and is regarded as an imperfect. This passage is decisive for the pronunciation "Yahweh"; for the etymology was undoubtedly based on the known word.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 680, further states this fact.
The true pronunciation of the name YHWH was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced "Yahweh". This is confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first syllable of the name, by the shorter form Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry (e.g., Ex. 15:2) and the -yahu or -yah that serves as the final syllable in very many Hebrew names.

etc.....
They have substituted (among many other names and titles) Baal, the Babylonians God (el) and Adonay, the Canaanite God (El)of the Phoencians for the holy Name of our Creator Yahweh. The substitution of Yahweh's Name with the names of pagan Gods (Elohim) has brought immeasurable harm. Such names as Lord, God, Jesus and Christ in no way represent the meaning of the name revealed by Yahweh our Heavenly Father to Mosheh, and to the ancient Hebrews. By employing these names, the people unknowingly turn the worship of Yahweh into that of God (elohim) and actually ascribe the loving and merciful characteristics of the Father of Israyl, to the pagan Gods (Elohim).

it is possible that "people unknowingly turn the worship of Yahweh into that of God (elohim) and actually ascribe the loving and merciful characteristics of the Father of Israyl, to the pagan Gods" but lets take this example - now my name is Slade; however whenever a particular lady talks to me she calls me Gene. Now I know she isn't using my name but I also know that she is talking to me. I believe that God is the same way - it doesn't matter if we call him "peter" or "george" as long as we know in our heart who we are talking about so will he.

You said "Why is it that we do not call with the Name Yahweh?" I heard it was because some pharasee's from a long time ago decided that because one of the 10 commandments say dont take the lord's name in vain - that the easy way to avoid doing that is to not pronounce his name at all & thus the tetragrametron was born. Now anyone that has studied the bible should know that it is possible to take the lords name in vain without knowing how to pronounce it. Because the name of god also is talking about his authority - just like how when u sign a check (with your name) you give the bearer the authority to take out of your account the amoaunt written on the check. So when we say that God gave us the authority to do evil we are taking the name of the lord in vain (bringing it to nothing).

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You said "Why is it that we do not call with the Name Yahweh?" I heard it was because some pharasee's from a long time ago decided that because one of the 10 commandments say dont take the lord's name in vain - that the easy way to avoid doing that is to not pronounce his name at all & thus the tetragrametron was born. Now anyone that has studied the bible should know that it is possible to take the lords name in vain without knowing how to pronounce it.

that's a good point, didn't think about it that way.
You said "Why is it that we do not call with the Name Yahweh?" I heard it was because some pharasee's from a long time ago decided that because one of the 10 commandments say dont take the lord's name in vain - that the easy way to avoid doing that is to not pronounce his name at all & thus the tetragrametron was born. Now anyone that has studied the bible should know that it is possible to take the lords name in vain without knowing how to pronounce it.
i'm not giving you a hard time just looking for more info.
thanks again, i'll have some more questions.
any other info you could give me would be helpful

There are 3 passages that come to mind when talking about the name of God that most pastors never bring up but I do because it supports the teaching that he has many names:

Ex 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"

Isa 57:15 "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

Zech 14:9 "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one."

That last one tells me that one of God's names is the word "one" so many times (not every time it depends on the context) I see the word "one", if I replace it with the word "God" or God's (as in his property) & it opens up more meaning than I got before I did that.

Thanks for this question.
It never came to my mind to explore the meaning of the term we use to name our Creator and it has been a rewarding experience to research the subject a bit.
The English word God means Deity or Supreme Being in a religion. Monotheistic religions (Crhistian, Muslim, Judaic) consider God the Creator and Ruler of the universe to Whom worship and obedience must be paid. Politheistic religions use the term as a generic name for several beings with supposed divine attributes.
Since the dissemination of printed books was mainly developped for the expansion of Christianity, it has been somewhat customary in English ortography to capitalise the word (God) to refer to the One singular God while rendering it in lower case for pagan deities. Pronouns referring to God are also often capitalised and traditionally rendered in the masculine gender -He, His.
The word God was used to represent Latin deus and Greek theos in a Gothic translation of the New Testament done by Ulfilas, a Goth missionary and bishop who lived circa 310 - 383 and created the Gothic Alphabet.
There are several meanings ascribed to the root terms of the word in different ancient languages (Goth, Old German, Proto-Indo-European, etc) given as the One invoked, the One sacrificed to, To pour(a libation), to shine or give light.
The equivalent term in Semitic languages (Hebrew 'el, Babylonian 'ilu, Arabic 'ilah) means The Strong or Mighty One.
Some Jews actually write G-d in English in order to maintain their ancestral tradition of not pronouncing the Name of God, but others claim this is not necessary because Hebrew, and not English, was the Holy Language.
It should be noted that the whole subject is still much debated amongst scholars and there's no universal agreement, so this is not yet a finished affair.
God Bless everyone.
Jorge S

trying to find where i read it at, but to call him lord is incorrect as people in england are called lords, etc...
and my name is dave so i wouldn't want people to call me by another name is an example, how would you feel if you were the creator and peolpe changed your name

anyone???
thanks

I understand that G-d has many names and you can call Him by any one of them. Why do you say He has only one name?



One reason is found in Psalm 83:18, "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Yahweh, art the most high over all the earth." Later in the Psalms we find, "Let them praise the name of Yahweh: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven," Ps. 148:13.

The notion that he has many names really has polytheistic overtones. Heathen religions are noted for their many deities, all with names customized to suit each flavor of religion. Paul said there are "gods many and lords many," Contrarily, Israel knew Him as the one, true Mighty One, and they called on Him by His one true Name. Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am Yahweh: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." His true Name is the defining factor for True Worship. If we can’t even get His Name right, how can we get His worship right? How can we say we even worship Him if we don’t call on His own Name?

He tells us that "Yahweh" is His Name forever and His memorial unto all generations, Exodus 3:15. A memorial is how we remember or think about someone. Every Scriptural title attributed to Yahweh is connected to His true Name: Yahweh Elyon, Yahweh Nissi, Yahweh Yireh, etc. By believing that He has many names we believe that any name is acceptable to him, including generic titles like "God," which is not a Hebrew term but a Germanic title. It is absent in the older Biblical manuscripts. That He has many names equal to His Name is simply untrue and unscriptural.

Knowing and calling on His Name means that we become His people, and that means forming a personal bond with Him. That bond is expressed by His own mouth, "My people shall know My Name," Isaiah 52:6. "Therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that does speak: behold, it is I." Beyond that, Yahweh said that His people will be called by His Name, Daniel 9:19.

When you understand that His relationship with His people is considered a marriage covenant, then it stands to reason that His spiritual bride would take on his name just as a bride does her husband’s.
Ezekiel 39:7 reads, "So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am Yahweh the Holy One in Israel."

I tried not to respond again before now; as I did not want to just repeat the same things I have said before - but I think I have something new to say so here I go...

I believe that Jesus died approx. 2000 yrs ago so that each & every one of us can have an individual relatioinship with him. In my personal relationship with "Yaweh" he has not placed a major emphasis on me calling him that name or any other in particular (except "One" Zech 14:9) I have full faith & assurance that when I cry out to him he hears me - regardless weather I say "Oh my God" or "Dear Lord" or "My heavenly Father".

My perspective on the matter is that "Yaweh" is a hebrew word - I am however an american & because I am to lazy to study the hebrew tounge ("Yaweh" did not demand it of me; but He did have me study some of the origonal language words meanings, not pronunciations) I am personally adverse to trying to say "Yaweh" all the time as I do not know the proper pronounciation & nothing irritates me more than someone who can't say my name right & I am made in the image of God so maybe, just maybe he feels the same way (I doubt it tho). dtr98 wrote earlier that "I am pronounced alef dalet" I am unfamiliar with the source that he quoted but I assume that it was a Jewish writing; & they would have a better insight than I would as to the actual pronunciation & "alef dalet" doesn't look as if it sounds anything like "Yaweh".

Remember that the Tetragrammaton; wich the word "Yaweh" is derived from had the origonal vowels removed; so we don't really know if "Yaweh" is the right way to pronounce his name it is just our best guess. Remember that the bible also says "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." Ex 6:3; that verse tells me that "Yaweh" approves of being called more than one name & that Jehovah is another way to transliterate the Tetragrammaton.

In any case in my personal relationship with "Yaweh" I never call him that, I normally say "The Lord" because in my culture when I say that, everyone around me knows who I am refering too. If I say "Yaweh" in a non-christian circle it will produce the response of confusion in my listeners; & I am a preacher so one of my jobs is to be able to get my message accross as clearly as possible the first time - as people have a limited attention span & often do not really have the time or interest in what I am telling them to always ask questions if they didn't understand; they will just nod & act as if they got it but leave without the message hitting home if I am not as disticnt & concise as possible when I speak.

You are free to call him by his proper name "Yaweh" & you are also free to preach to us that we should also; but please respect the fact that I also have an individual relationship with the One, true God & he does not require me to call him by the name "Yaweh" unless it is to appease someone who will not accept me calling him "The Lord" (like perhaps you; compare Rom 14:21).

I know that "The Lord" & "God" are titles; I do not consider when I say those words to be saying the name of God; however the Bible tells me that I can call him "Father" Or "Abba" (Rom 8:15, Gal 4:6) which is translated "Daddy" - so because I have a personal relationship with him I am not required to call him by his name just like I am not required to call my human father by his name - I call my human father "Dad" & he does not have a problem with that - I would even go so far as to guess that he expects it. Now my heavenly father placed my human father here to teach me about him (We are the priest in our own households; compare Rev 1:6) - so my model for a relationship with my heavenly father is the relationship I have with my human father. I was raised with the feeling that if I were to call my human father by his proper name, that would be disrespectful; as it is a sign of equality; I am not eaqual to my human father as he has authority over me & is a mentor to me & the bible says that I should honor him. So I treat "Yaweh" the same way & on purposefully don't call him by his name because I do not want to show any form of disrespect (You seem to feel that to not call "The Lord" by the name "Yaweh" is disrespectful & that is your right; I just dissagree). Now if you call your human father by his proper name every time you refer to him - then that is your right or priviledge or duty - I don't know; but I do not & I am not required to, & as I said I base my relationship with my heavenly father on the model of my relationship with my human one; so please understand that some people will not feel that it is nessisary to say God's name in order to worship him.

dtr98 said that "The notion that he has many names really has polytheistic overtones.". I am not a polytheist but I realize that not everyone speaks the same language so the word "Yaweh" will sound different depending on where you go or be translated into different words that will sound nothing like "Yaweh". Realize that some languages (like Hawaiian for example) doesn't have the letter "Y" in it & therefore it is safe to assume that in other parts of the world people would not be able to say the word "Yaweh" without extensive training & so when "Yaweh" has His name translated into other languages it may very well sound totally different. As I said earlier "Yaweh" is just our best guess as to the correct pronounciation of His name. I bet any much that "Yaweh" does not speak any language (in heaven) that we currently have on earth (compare Zeph 3:9 & 1 Cor 13:1) & therefore when He says His own name in His own language, I also bet any much that it doesn't sound anything like "Yaweh". I am sure that as I said before, no matter what we call the One, true God he knows when we are talking about him & will respond accordingly.

As far as not calling him "The Lord" because humans are also refferd to as lords, my answer is this - "Yaweh" is all powerful & had his hand in the translation of the Bible from the origonal languages into english & he saw fit to be referred to as "The Lord" up to 5911 times (5913 times if you count the preface & The Translators To The Reader) according to the search I just did; so if the omnipotent God that I serve decided to call himself that in his holy word, how can I dissagree with him?

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doesn't the lord also say you shall not change the words/meaning of what i have told you?
which by translating we are doing?

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As far as not calling him "The Lord" because humans are also refferd to as lords, my answer is this - "Yaweh" is all powerful & had his hand in the translation of the Bible from the origonal languages into english & he saw fit to be referred to as "The Lord" up to 5911 times (5913 times if you count the preface & The Translators To The Reader) according to the search I just did; so if the omnipotent God that I serve decided to call himself that in his holy word, how can I dissagree with him?

I love you brother (or sister) in Christ - as far as you asking if translating is changing the words or meaning I guess if I step back I can see that this is a logical, valid question; however seeing through "God colored glasses" as I hope I do; I just know what God told me in the scripture that says that Jesus didn't come for any one of us in particular - he came for all of us (compare Jn 3:16) there are passages in the old testament that talk about how there are heathen called by the name of God (Am 9:12) those heathen are the new testament gentile believers. Now because God put an emphasis on understanding his word (Neh 8:2,8; Prov 4:7) it seems just as valid & logical a point that he would make a way for the gentiles to do it - thus translations.

Remember that the New testament was spoken in Aremeic when it was live but written in Greek & neither of those 2 launguages were Hebrew the origonal language that the word was given in; so Jesus himself had to translate the old testament scriptures into greek or aremeic or people would not have understood a word he said. Jesus did speak to gentiles, do you think that they all knew hebrew? Paul who is credited for writing a great deal of the new testament did the same thing; translated when he quoted.

I had one thought that you may be putting too much emphasis on the proper name of God because of these 2 scriptures:

Isa 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."

Acts 4:10-12 "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

That tells me that the one true name that we should be focused on is "Jesus" or, if you prefer "Yeshua" or, according to the Scofield Reference Bible (wich I trust); "Yehoshua".

I am pretty sure that dtr98 quoted 1 Cor 8:5 earlier - "there be gods many, and lords many" but perhaps you might want to foucus on verse 6 wich says "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

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thanks
i'm not trying to be a pain, just looking for some answers.

the bible says many will come in my name...
i was lost but am finding my way again, and hear so many different things i don't know who to believe??
one preacher says this , another says something else.

i should just ask god to fill me with the holy spirit to give me wisdom to understand when i read the bible.
do you have any info on what else i should read or look up?

while we're at it, read another about christmas and the birth of christ, the shepards where in the mountains tending to the sheep so christ could be born on 12/25??? and decorating trees is a pagen custom??

once again, not trying to be a pain, just looking for answers.

thanks
dave

we had a big discussion on this board about christmas here:

http://gdwmboard.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7806062801/m/9176066325

One thing about versions or translations - I may be a "King James Only" freak or fanatic, but God told me that He is able to be found in every version - even the 2 versions I hate (because I think they are cloudy windows to God) most; the Living Bible (a paraphrase of the King James Version) & the New World Translation, used by the Jehovah's Witnesses. I personally have 12 versions , including one of the 2 I hate most (I must have lost my living Bible last time I moved), one is written in the origonal language; not that I know how to read it but every origonal word was numberd by James Strong for his exaustive concordance & the interlinnear bible I have, has the numbers by the origonal words so I can look them up in my origonal language lexicons which, are also numberd according to Strongs.

I like having multiple versions when I study because if I don't clearly see the meaning that the Word has for me in my favorite version (KJV) then I look at the others & the different ways that they put it gives me a bigger picture. Also sometimes when you hear a message it is preached out of a different version so I have the most popular handy at home (NIV, RSV, NASB & the Amplified) in case I hear a pastor speaking out of a version I dont use.

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