Well hello and how have everybody ben doing, since I asked this sort of question?

What is the “abomination of desolation” mentioned by Daniel and referred to by Jesus Christ in the Mount Olivet prophecy?

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Love always, Fr:

My understanding is this; when Jesus said: "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )" in Mt 24:15, focus on the clause "stand in the holy place" now cross that over with 2 thess 2:3&4 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

So in short the abomination of desolations is when the antichrist stands in the temple of God & calls himself (a) god.

Hello Slade! and how are you all? on this board. : you are one that would be close to the answer of the subject, but! would you also dig or you might even be in some sort of agreement with or not?:
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The Abomination of Desolation

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In 168 B.C. Antiochus Ephiphanes sent troops to the Holy Land to punish the Jews. His soldiers captured Jerusalem, desecrated the Temple of God and polluted the sanctuary, causing pig’s blood to be sacrificed upon the altar of God. Faithful Jews who would not recant their religion were burned alive in a large frying pan of hot scalding oil! Many were martyred for their faith.


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The first book of Maccabees relates: “The king then issued a proclamation to his whole kingdom that all were to become a single people, each nation renouncing its particular customs. All the gentiles conformed to the king’s decree, and many Israelites chose to ACCEPT HIS RELIGION, sacrificing to idols and profaning the Sabbath. The king also sent edicts by messenger to Jerusalem and the towns of Judah, directing them to adopt customs foreign to the country, banning burnt offerings, sacrifices and libations from the sanctuary, profaning Sabbaths and feasts, defiling the sanctuary and everything holy, building altars, shrines and temples for idols, sacrificing pigs and unclean beasts, leaving their sons uncircumcised, and prostituting themselves to all kinds of impurity and abomination, so that they should FORGET THE LAW and revoke all observance of it. Anyone not obeying the king’s command was to be put to death” (I Macc.1:41-50, Jerusalem Bible).


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In this inhuman act of outrage, Antiochus abolished the daily sacrifice. On the date of Kislev 15, Hebrew calendar, he placed the abomination of the image of Jupiter Olympus in the Holy of Holies, making it desolate. “Abomination,” in Strong’s Concodance, is #8251, shikkoots in Hebrew, meaning “disgusting, filthy, espec. Idolatrous, an idol – abominable filth, detestable thing.” Desolation” is from the Hebrew word shamem, “to stun, grow numb, i.e. to devastate or stupefy – make amazed, be or make astonished, bring to desolation, destroy, make waste, wonder.”


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The abomination that makes desolate was the idol of Jupiter set in the Holy of Holies, B.C. 168, by Antiochus Epiphanes, whose very name meant “God made Manifest,” a blasphemous claim and sacrilege toward the true God. This was literally the “horrifying abomination” (see Daniel 12:11, 9:27, 8:13). According to II Maccabees 6:2, Antiochus ordered the Temple to be renamed for Zeus Olympios. Olympus, the mount of the gods, was the equivalent of heaven and Zeus equated with the Syrian god “Lord of the heaven,” the Phoenician Baal Shamem, “Lord of Heaven,” who was worshipped at the Jerusalem Temple during this brief period. In Hebrew, the name of this god would equate with “Lord of Abomination,” or “Lord of Horrifying Abomination and Desolation.” The most terrible persecution and cruel abominations were committed in the name of this false god, leading to terrible death and desolation.

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Antiochus was an eccentric, cruel and tyrannical despot. He undertook the mission to totally eradicate and destroy the Jewish religion,, Scriptures, Torah, and sought to replace them with a universal religion of GREEK polytheism.


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The observance of all Jewish religious laws and customs was forbidden upon pain of death. His edicts were severely and firmly enforced. Once a month a search was instituted to find any copies of the Torah and to discover any one who had observed the custom of circumcision. Those who had done so were condemned to death. Those who had Torahs in their possession were likewise condemned to death, and the Torah scrolls were burned. It was a very dark day for Israel.


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During that time, the Maccabean Jews rose in revolt, and after three years repulsed the troops of Antiochus, cleansed the Temple, and restored the daily sacrifice. Thus we read: “The wise among the people shall give understanding to many; for some days, however, they shall fall by the sword and flame, and suffer captivity and plunder. When they fall victim, they shall receive a little help, and many shall join them insincerely. Some of the wise shall fall, so that they may be refined, purified, and cleansed, until the time of the end, for there is still an interval until the time appointed” (Dan.11:33-35, NRSV).


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Or, as the KJV has it, “And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits [wonders]. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: Yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed” (verses 32-25).

Love always, Fr:

All the abominations that happened in the past were indeed bad in the book of Ezekiel chapter 8 it says that they have commited multiple abominmations in the house of God but we are dealing with the abomination of desolations. In the context of Dan wich mentions the abomination that maketh desolate in 11:31 in v. 35 it says "even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed". In the context in Mt where he mentions the abomination of desolations in 24:15 he says in v. 21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."; so this is why I dont think that any abomination that happened in the temple of God before could be the one that Jesus & Daniel were talking about.

If I am not mistaken Jesus lived after the Maccabees & Antiochus Epiphanes (B.C. 168) & did not treat the abominations that happened in their time as if they were the abomination of desolations.