Should we avoid confronting the mocker and wicked one then? Should we ever confront? if so, when is it bibilical to do so?

You should not comfront the mocker in some cases unless the Lord gives you what to say. Sometimes a reproof is benificial and a bold answer may stop their mouth. Generally," don't cast your pearls before the swine." The fool won't usually hear you. However we must speak against sin in general. example is the scripture regarding the just man must rescue those being led to slaughter ( ex:abortion) and help widows and the fatherless when they are oppressed. We are to speak for these ones who can't speak for themselves.

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Thanks....I confronted my dad on the way he treats my mom and he is now on my case about something that has nothing to do with him...I feel he is just trying to get back at me....but my mother suffers alot of verbal and mind games at his hands...and he thinks nothing of it....he has been very abusive in speech to me and my husband and he thinks everyone should just respect him....Pls pray for God's wisdom for me.....My mom has been away for a few days from him and she says she has not had to take her anxiety pills since she has not been home...I don't know maybe I was wrong to have said anything at all...still wondering?

lori,
You didn't do wrong by comfronting him on your mom's behalf. I am glad she is not needing any pills. He needs to know that you don't condone the way he treats your mother. Let's just pray for him that God will convict his heart about his behavior and his need for salvation. That God would move him to godly sorrow leading to repentance. The bible says if you need wisdom, ask of God and he will give it to you abundantly. I think it is in James and several passages in Proverbs.

Grace and faith....I am so grateful for you...may God shine bright in your life.....
Be blessed!

Hello you all! , And just how are you all doing? , but when we here of a given situation, of whatever thy case may be, Please! be aware of who see us when we are lest expected, because we are suppose to be redeeming the time, because these days before us are becomeing more dreadful, which means, that every time we attempt to do good, or for whatever matter arises, is that! the evil one always makes harder for someone else or ourself, but I trully believe that: of what Our Lord have said, that is: If ye abide in "him" and his word of Life abide in you'll, we! , you! and yes! you too! , can ask what you will and "he" will grant it unto you and whoever, for no-one can do nothing without him. John 15:1-5-11-17-25. (Relationships) Psalms 34:15-22, Prov. 10:7. , We just casting "all" our cares upon Jesus!, and he Is the one who gives us that wisdom, but we just makes sure that it is according to "his" will and not ours, So then a person would have to know for themselves by casting all of "their cares" on the God of their Salvation, and that it might be for some, hard words to handle, but his words of Life hasen't failed anyone yet. Example: Who had believed in that report Isiah 53:1, but not just for some time but this Life must be lived: Lk.1:75. Well! we will be praying, that "all" will work together for that good, by us casting all our cares on him. I Pet 5:7. , Eph. 5: and 6: are good chapters for this kind of situation, while the Strong bear the informities of those that are weak, and also we willfirstthings1sttab2003@yahoo.com mentioned to other Larorers in his vine yard, just keep looking towards "his" hill from whence cometh your help.<P>Those That Are Strong! , Must Bear The Weak!

Hi Lori, Grace and Faith and Walter and everyone else,

I agree with you Walter, it is wonderful to rest in the Lord and have him meet your needs etc...and he cares for us and loves us and saves us from all sorts of things and he has the solutions and can implement them if we let him.

I also agree with you Grace and Faith because we do need to take a stand for people that can not or will not take a stand for all sorts of reasons. Abuse of any sort is not ok, it's evil.

I also agree with you Lori and I can see your situation because I have been there with my Dad and I did not like the way he treated my mother either. However now that he has been dead for many years I can see he was a very hurt man just lashing out because he felt so bad inside. I also see that my mother at times was horrible to him in a passive agressive way and didn't love him. I also went through different abusive relationships and went out with a manipulator and a huge bully and then my last relationship was like that...When I started speaking out, despite the huge fear, despite not knowing if these men would physically harm me they turned it around towards me and played all sorts of blame games...even to the point that I was taking all the blame for it and then I became so angry at them that I started to be horrible to them. Then they would use Christian principles on me and question me why I was not living them when they were provoking me...they wanted the submissive Christian woman, one that would just let them treat her badly. I can also see now, it was just hurting people trying to deal with issues from past and present wounds. It was horrible situations and it has taken me many months of asking the Lord to help me deal with this anger constructively, and to stop being so angry and it has come and I love the Lord's peace after a storm, and that is what these confrontations are...storms and Jesus calms the storm.

What I learnt from all this Lori, sometimes you have to confront, other times you have to keep your peace and leave it in Jesus' hands and let the Lord take care of it. If you do speak out, I have found out it ends up in an argument, no matter how well intentional you may be of being calm, because abusive people can not be reasoned with. I also at times would write, which created distance and space for the people involved to process what I was writing. The best thing I learnt was just to walk away and pray and the answer would come. We can never know the effects of anything that we do and the repercussions of those effects. That is why it is such a relief we have the Holy Spirit, that is why we need to trust the direction God gives us and do what the Lord requires us to do at the time of requiring us to do it, without question....This is why I honour my time with the Lord and just resting in him...his love is just wonderful.

May you just be blessed with the Lord's presence, strength and to discern his counsel/guidance and just do what is the Lord's will...

love and blessings in the Lord,

Serenity

Serenity...all you said, is how it happened....
I am praying for wisdom and for release from anger.....thanks..... pls pray I will see the Lord's way through this and be obedient.....and not argumentative....

Hi Lori,

The Lord knows your heart, sometimes too that anger we feel is the Lords anger and we react instead of responding. It is hard to know at the time, I pray that you are released from anger, that you find your rest in him and in that moment we rest in his love we find his love and peace for everything and then we can truly do what is required of us. It comes from surrending and laying our burdens at the cross and Jesus and leaving them with him and entrusting these situations, problems into his hands...and that he will fix, release and deliver.

Lori I am reminded just now to say to you about going through his fire and the song Refiner's fire has come into my head. I wrote it to another post however will put it here for you...

Refiner's fire by Brian Doersken

Purify my heart
Let me be as gold
And precious silver
Purify my heart
Let me be as gold
Pure Gold.

Refiner's fire
My heart's one desire
Is to be holy
Set apart for You Lord
I choose to be holy
Set apart for You my Master
Ready to do Your will

Purify my heart
Cleanse me from within
And make me holy
Purify my heart
Cleanse me from my sin
Deep within

Lori take courage and surrender everything to him and then you will take hold of his Yoke and it will be easy and then you will enter into his rest and free to grow as the Lord intends you to grow without his work being marred...

Thankyou Lord for revealing this for all those that have been through it and that are going through it...may we all enter into your rest and feel the gentleness of your love.

love and blessings in the Lord,

Serenity

Serenity....thanks, thanks, thanks,,,,,I prayed again today for the way through this...and so I don't repeat the patterns....I know this is all for a season, reason and purpose....I feel I fail so much......but thanks for your support and sharing.....I am praying also for a support group where people being led thru dysfunctional family situations can help....I feel smothered in this all and need to get victory over it.....
I get depressed and need to be up to look for work....Pls pray for my hubby also...he can't believe the stuff that goes on in this family.....a culture shock to say the least....
thanks,
and God Bless!
Lori

Lori
Continuing to keep you in my prayers.

Hi Lori,

Praise God that you have a wonderful husband that supports you through this. I have chills and tingles for your circumstances, this is a good sign because the Lord is working for you and creating victory and is answering and going to be answering your prayers. I am so glad that what I shared helped you, you never really know how it is going to be received only that you trust that it is used for God's purposes.

The word Graceful comes to me, our Lord is full of grace and that is what is needed from you and what you will live in and be in continually until the gracefulness just oozes out of you no matter what the circumstances. You will become graceful and it is your ministry the ministry of grace and mercy. What is also coming to my mind is a fortress where arrows are just bouncing off and falling down as flowers, roses white. You are entering into that fortress...

how is that the Doctors receptionist just rang and said that he is happy to help us get into see a physiotherapist and when we are ready to do so we are only to come in and he will be happy to see us...Amen...Thankyou God for intervening...

Now getting back to your situation....Focus on Grace, look to the people that exhibit/show Grace, Princess di was Graceful, Mother Theresea or Nichole Kidman about her marriage breakup or see Grace being portrayed in the bible, stories, movies...look for grace within your own family and if you can't see it then pray that the Lord floods your family with his Grace and mercy....

In the Bible look at Jesus, Esther, Sarah, Mary (Jesus' mum when she was pregnant), Joseph etc, Paul and when you become graceful, you will become gracious....

The parable for you is the woman caught in adultery and how she was treated by others and how she was treated by Jesus, he was very graceful towards her...Jesus is the Lamb of God...and so it is important for his followers to also be as a lamb, gentle & playful

Lamb of God

Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.
Come let's listen to what God has to say.
With Christ Shining light,
He'll show you which way is right,
Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.

Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.
Come let's listen to what Jesus has to say.
Praise God heavenly Father,
Come on let's love each other.
Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.

Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.
Come let's listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say.
Hosanna Hallelujah,
God's love will go right through you.
Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.

Yesterday, today and tomorrow,
He'll take away your sorrows.
Lift our lives up higher
And set our hearts on fire

With Christ Shining light he'll show you which way is right.
Praise God Heavenly Father, come on let's love each other.
Hosanna Hallelujah, God's love will go right through you
And lift your lives up higher and set your heart of fire.
Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.

Yeah

Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.

Yeah

Lamb of God you take the sins of the world away.

Amen

Stewardship SerenityStyle ©2003

Together we can move mountains, illnesses and do many miracles and awesome works in Jesus' name, amen...

love and blessings in the Lord,

Serenity

Thanks, Serenity.....I am experiencing much more peace...I have asked God to help me see it His way...I have seen it as big and He sees as 'possible'......I have made a big deal out of something small and He is helping me see it differently although I can't see it all, only what I NEED to at the time.....He is all sufficient.....I want to grow up into Christ...and I now trial and suffering get us there...I am able to be more thankful now than I used...as I used to grumble and complain....I fall sooooo short of His glory...but I hope to learn and grow to be salt and light....
Be blessed and thanks so much for your encouragement....The body of Christ...what a joy and blessing....~

Lori

When faced with this question I am reminded of the words Christ chose when he delivered the beatitudes - "Blessed are the peaceMAKERS" i think is worthwhile to note that he said peaceMAKERS as opposed to peaceKEEPERS. This is consistent with his teaching - we should follow his example and face situations like yours with peace and confidence - remember that we should look upon these situations as opportunities to be a loving and gentle witness. ( this is MUCH easier said than it is done)

Peace

Hi Lori,

I am so glad that you have been helped and encouraged, amen. Don't worry at times we all stumble and fall short, look at the apostles in their moments of stumbling in following Jesus. It is good that you are starting to see it from his perspective and from this you will grow spiritually. Of course it is easy for us to be loving and kind to people that are loving and kind back or likeable however it is not so when face with a difficult person who is not being loving and kind. I have been experiencing living in His Grace and if I live in His Grace, then that Grace will pass through to other people and when things happen I remember and feel his Grace in action.

John 14:16-20 are good verses to meditate on. Do you see yourself in Jesus, the Holy Spirit in you and then Jesus in God? This is what Jesus was saying to his followers and if we experience this through a revelation of the Holy Spirit then anything we experience goes through the Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit before it even gets to us. We have divine protection inside and out. May you truly feal and experience his abiding with and in him, in Jesus' name...amen

Hi Brad,

I agree with you that it is much easier said than done and it is really difficult particularly when you are getting your buttons pushed. However if we live in Jesus and abide in his peace, then the burden is lifted and we can do all things in him, with him and for him...include being a peace maker as well as keeper....

love and blessings in the Lord,

Serenity